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    1. Justcurioustwo

      Justcurioustwo Well-Known Member

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      You are missing one point that I think is the point.

      If you are looking for a high torque force to achieve your needs this machine provides that torque. It is that simple.
      In physics and mechanics, torque is the rotational equivalent of linear force.[1] It is also referred to as the moment, moment of force, rotational force or turning effect, depending on the field of study. The concept originated with the studies by Archimedes of the usage of levers. Just as a linear force is a push or a pull, a torque can be thought of as a twist to an object around a specific axis.
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    3. s.weinberg

      s.weinberg Well-Known Member EngineeringClicks Expert

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      Assuming you have a pump to compress air, and get it down to where you need it to fill your balloons at the bottom, this machine should certainly generate some torque, 'high' being relative, of course.

      I imagine there are far simpler ways to generate far more torque, but I can't say that it couldn't work, if generating a torque is your goal.
       
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      I believe geothermal vents spew out a lot of compressed gases

      Just maybe, just maybe we could get these gases we need here.

      The challenge would be getting these gases from such depths. One possibility is a cylindrical tube about fifty (50) feet in diameter long enough to reach down to these depths. In practice the number of tubs could be in the thousands.

      Just a thought

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      s.weinberg Well-Known Member EngineeringClicks Expert

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      As far as geothermal vents, the more obvious approach would be to attempt to harness the thermal energy - and idea that seems to have garnered some interest - at least academically
       
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      To take advantage of the extreme hot seawater you would need to make contact with cooler water. The change from heat to cold could possibly create an electric current. Just inches from those geyser's the water is near freezing. Having said that, I still believe there are compressed gasses that will expand with reduced pressure.

      I’m open to any ideas; we need them all.
       
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      JPG-seaengine.jpg A mechanical design, designed to stimulate thought.

      If you were to analyze the mechanics of the attached drawing what aspect or mechanical component would you analyze first?

      Please add why.
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      s.weinberg Well-Known Member EngineeringClicks Expert

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      All I see in the image is a couple of pulleys, some kind of cable, what I know are intended to be balloons, and sea water.
      I'd probably start with the missing stuff - how energy/air gets into the system, and what you plan on doing with this strange balloon/pulley thing - is there an output of some kind? It's not obvious what the purpose is supposed to be (even to me, after all these posts).
       
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      The SeaEngine is just using the lifting force of several lifting forces together. It is not creating more energy; it is simply combining the force of multiple forces into one. The torque of the machine is greatly enhanced.

      I came up with an idea that could possibly produce more useful energy than is required to keep the system running & no it is not a perpetual motion machine.

      The output is electric and that is why I am introducing this idea here.

      SeaPower description

      Attached is a diagram that details a new energy generating power source using the expanding rise of air underwater as a lifting force.

      This is the same principal that keeps a boat afloat. A cubic foot of air under water has a lifting force of 67 pounds. A ship/boat that weighs 2,000 pounds must displace (2,000/67)=29.85 cubic feet of water to stay afloat.

      In the diagram, there is a vertical row of balloons. The lower balloon or inverted umbrella; is injected with 40,000 cubic feet of air compressed to 15 ATM resulting in a volume of 2,666.66 cubic feet of air.

      When the first balloon rises 99 feet to 12 ATM it will expand to 3,333.33 cubic feet

      As each balloon rises it will expand from 2,666.66 feet until it reaches the surface with a volume of 40,000 cubic feet.

      There are fifteen (15) balloons each tied together in a vertical row.

      The combined lifting force of the 15 balloons is 118,428 pounds of continuous lifting force.

      In order to maintain this lifting force, the lowest balloon must be injected with 40,000 cubic feet of air compressed to 2,666.66 cubic feet. When it rises a new balloon replaces it in a circular motion, as the diagram attached shows.

      Principles to run the machine

      [1] an enclosed container (X) of air submerged in water has a lifting force (Y) equal to the volume of the water displaced minus the weight of the container;

      [2] connection multiple containers one on top of the other creates a combined lifting force of (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y) = (X)

      Which is a greater lifting force than (Y)

      [3] the energy needed to fill one container is equal to the energy needed to sustain the combined lifting force of the 10 (ten) containers referenced above minus the energy needed to keep it running.

      That is why I am here. I need to calculate:

      [1] the electrical power of a pulling force of 118,428 foot pounds can produce.

      [2] the electric power needed to compress 40,000 cf down to 2,666.666 cubic feet

      [3] the speed of the rising balloons

      Comments please
      BTW: the engine could be scaled down requiring less air injected into the lowest "umbrella" keeping the system running
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      s.weinberg Well-Known Member EngineeringClicks Expert

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      "I came up with an idea that could possibly produce more useful energy than is required to keep the system running & no it is not a perpetual motion machine."

      That is literally the definition of a perpetual motion machine. Which this isn't for the simple reason that it wouldn't work.

      Still missing all details about the input and pretty much everything about the output, which is where I would start
       
    11. Justcurioustwo

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      No, actually it is not unless you classify a car as a perpetual motion machine.

      You are not the first person to say that it will not work, and still no one has as of yet pointed out why is will not work.
      Still waiting.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.


       

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